#30 Winston Churchill with Richard Toye: Historian, Author from the UK.

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In this episode, Tanmay Shah interviews Professor Richard Toy, a renowned historian, about his interest in Winston Churchill, his motivations in politics, and his views on India’s independence. The conversation delves into Churchill’s role in World War II, his personal life, and his controversial stance on the Bengal famine. The discussion also explores Churchill’s approach to India’s religions and the divide and rule policy. The conversation delves into Winston Churchill’s views and actions in relation to India, his stance on Indian independence, his attitudes towards Indian soldiers, and his controversial views on race. It also explores his thoughts on European unity, his use of technology, and the potential use of social media if he were alive today.In this episode of Rocklaz Radio, Tanmay Shah and Laura Grinbarga discuss books and podcasts they have read and listened to. They share their favorite podcasts, such as Akimbo and Freakonomics, and talk about the benefits of reading digitally and listening to audiobooks. They recommend books like The Artist’s Way, Big Magic, and The War of Art for creative inspiration. They also discuss the importance of finding the right time to read and making notes while reading. The conversation touches on spirituality in art and the impact of books like The Alchemist and Siddhartha. They also mention books on negotiation and personal development, such as Think and Grow Rich and The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People. The conversation covered a wide range of topics, including book recommendations, favorite genres, and spiritual and philosophical discussions. Some of the recommended books include ‘Atomic Habits’ by James Clear, ‘The Warrior’s Apprentice’ by Lois McMaster Bujold, ‘The Silver Metal Lover’ by Tanith Lee, ‘Mahabharata’ and ‘Bhagavad Gita’ by Shri Shri Ravishankar, and ‘Business Sutras’ by Devdutt Patnayak. The conversation also touched on the importance of finding balance and substance in the content we consume.


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00:00 Exploring Winston Churchill’s Legacy
07:56 Motivations and Controversies in Churchill’s Politics
12:49 The Impact of Churchill’s World War II Speeches
29:53 Churchill’s Approach to India’s Religions and Divide and Rule Policy
36:55 Winston Churchill’s Views on India and Indian Independence
52:35 Controversial Perspectives: Indian Soldiers and Race
01:03:25 European Unity and Churchill’s Evolving Stance
01:10:53 Churchill’s Use of Technology and Social Media



• Professor Richard Toy’s interest in Winston Churchill was sparked by a document he found in the National Archives, revealing Churchill’s lobbying for a loan from the Americans after World War II.
• Churchill’s motivations in politics were a subject of debate, with some attributing his actions to opportunism, while others recognized his genuine passion for various issues.
• Churchill’s World War II speeches, although controversial, played a significant role in providing a context for understanding the events and reassuring the public.
• Churchill’s personal experiences in India, including the Boer War and his time as a junior officer, influenced his views on Indian independence and Hinduism.
• Churchill’s approach to India’s religions and the divide and rule policy reflected his explicit views in cabinet discussions and his resistance to reform in India during the interwar years. Churchill’s complex and often controversial views on India and Indian independence are a subject of historical debate.
• His attitudes towards Indian soldiers and his views on race have been a point of contention and criticism.
• Churchill’s stance on European unity and his use of technology reflect his adaptability and evolving perspectives.
• The conversation provides insights into how Churchill’s political communication style may have translated to the use of social media if he were alive today.


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